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		<title>By: Denis de Bernardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis de Bernardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, as one that you might be accusing of zealotry, I thought I’d pipe up. (...) I rather not have journalists and bloggers call us morons&lt;/blockquote&gt;
	You aren&#039;t the zealot... They are.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, as one that you might be accusing of zealotry, I thought I’d pipe up. (&#8230;) I rather not have journalists and bloggers call us morons</p></blockquote>
<p>	You aren&#8217;t the zealot&#8230; They are.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Pepper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Pepper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as one that you might be accusing of zealotry (and not the dead sect of Judaism), I thought I&#039;d pipe up. And, zealot is quite a strong word. How about one that believes in his profession and industry?

	It comes down to this - either we police ourselves, or get policed by others. Yes, who watches the watchmen, cui bono (who benefits) and all that.

	But ... I rather have the internal discussions in PR, and not have journalists and bloggers call us morons. Or, pull back the curtain and expose PR people as what they see as duplicitious. This year, our industry already has had to deal with transparency issues with video news releases, paid spokespeople, satellite media tours - let&#039;s not be called out on blogs as well.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as one that you might be accusing of zealotry (and not the dead sect of Judaism), I thought I&#8217;d pipe up. And, zealot is quite a strong word. How about one that believes in his profession and industry?</p>
<p>	It comes down to this &#8211; either we police ourselves, or get policed by others. Yes, who watches the watchmen, cui bono (who benefits) and all that.</p>
<p>	But &#8230; I rather have the internal discussions in PR, and not have journalists and bloggers call us morons. Or, pull back the curtain and expose PR people as what they see as duplicitious. This year, our industry already has had to deal with transparency issues with video news releases, paid spokespeople, satellite media tours &#8211; let&#8217;s not be called out on blogs as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis de Bernardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis de Bernardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the case fo transparency is somewhat slim. In practice, nobody cares except for the handful of zealots who raise the issue.
	&lt;blockquote&gt; What I am looking for is clarification of when and how the disclaimers should appear.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
	Don&#039;t play the zealots&#039; game: You are asking for a norm where there is none. This is the main reason norms emerge, via self-fulfilling propheties. Group decisions are made on issues noone ever cared about before they were raised. And a gell-effect ensures the loop is looped.

	To the PR pro, the real questions imho should be:

- How do I appease things when a zealot raise the transparency issue?
- How do I subtly discredit a zealot if he raises it again?

	And the answers lie in the psychology behind behavior engineering techniques.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the case fo transparency is somewhat slim. In practice, nobody cares except for the handful of zealots who raise the issue.</p>
<blockquote><p> What I am looking for is clarification of when and how the disclaimers should appear.</p></blockquote>
<p>	Don&#8217;t play the zealots&#8217; game: You are asking for a norm where there is none. This is the main reason norms emerge, via self-fulfilling propheties. Group decisions are made on issues noone ever cared about before they were raised. And a gell-effect ensures the loop is looped.</p>
<p>	To the PR pro, the real questions imho should be:</p>
<p>- How do I appease things when a zealot raise the transparency issue?<br />
- How do I subtly discredit a zealot if he raises it again?</p>
<p>	And the answers lie in the psychology behind behavior engineering techniques.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denis, now to the question of how and when to state the disclaimers.  The question of whether to post these disclaimers, and how, is not new.

	One year ago, a high school student - Ben Casnocha - &lt;a href=&quot;http://bigben.blogs.com/first/2004/08/linking_to_arti.html&quot;&gt;wrote about the practice&lt;/a&gt; regarding Jeff Jarvis.  And &lt;a href=&quot;http://bigben.blogs.com/first/2004/08/linking_to_arti.html#comment-1960100&quot;&gt;Jarvis responded&lt;/a&gt;.  Doc Searls &lt;a href=&quot;http://doc.weblogs.com/&quot;&gt;also commented to Ben&lt;/a&gt;.

	This issue is important for all to consider.  In PR, where reputation is currency, the more important the issue of transparency becomes.

	What I am looking for is clarification of when and how the disclaimers should appear.  In the above example, Doc Searls also notes that he either ignores or acknowledges the relationships.  So, when is it necessary and when is it not?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denis, now to the question of how and when to state the disclaimers.  The question of whether to post these disclaimers, and how, is not new.</p>
<p>	One year ago, a high school student &#8211; Ben Casnocha &#8211; <a href="http://bigben.blogs.com/first/2004/08/linking_to_arti.html">wrote about the practice</a> regarding Jeff Jarvis.  And <a href="http://bigben.blogs.com/first/2004/08/linking_to_arti.html#comment-1960100">Jarvis responded</a>.  Doc Searls <a href="http://doc.weblogs.com/">also commented to Ben</a>.</p>
<p>	This issue is important for all to consider.  In PR, where reputation is currency, the more important the issue of transparency becomes.</p>
<p>	What I am looking for is clarification of when and how the disclaimers should appear.  In the above example, Doc Searls also notes that he either ignores or acknowledges the relationships.  So, when is it necessary and when is it not?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Steve.  I&#039;ve sent an email.  We can set up a convenient time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Steve.  I&#8217;ve sent an email.  We can set up a convenient time.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis de Bernardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis de Bernardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; For a PR professional to be blogging and have posts related to their clients go unflagged, I believe, could pose problems.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

	Agreed. But if said PR pro isn&#039;t good enough to dismiss the question as a non-issue, he should consider a career shift imho.

	&quot;Oh? Why yes! These guys happen to be a customer. See my disclaimer page here, I mention I work for XYZ PR firm, which announced them as a customer last month in their press releases. The lads are super cool. But disregard this information, really: In all objectivity, their stuff is simply awesome!&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> For a PR professional to be blogging and have posts related to their clients go unflagged, I believe, could pose problems.</p></blockquote>
<p>	Agreed. But if said PR pro isn&#8217;t good enough to dismiss the question as a non-issue, he should consider a career shift imho.</p>
<p>	&#8220;Oh? Why yes! These guys happen to be a customer. See my disclaimer page here, I mention I work for XYZ PR firm, which announced them as a customer last month in their press releases. The lads are super cool. But disregard this information, really: In all objectivity, their stuff is simply awesome!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rubel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Rubel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denis, thank you for commenting.

	A good point.  I should have used the &quot;PR blogger&quot; phrase everywhere because that was my focus.

	For a PR professional to be blogging and have posts related to their clients go unflagged, I believe, could pose problems.

	Our profession has enough perception problems.  I don&#039;t think we need to add to them by our own actions.

And, may I add, I don&#039;t believe I have all the answers.  This post is as much an exercise in learning for me as it may be for anyone else.  I like questions because they frequently lead to answers.  That&#039;s my goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denis, thank you for commenting.</p>
<p>	A good point.  I should have used the &#8220;PR blogger&#8221; phrase everywhere because that was my focus.</p>
<p>	For a PR professional to be blogging and have posts related to their clients go unflagged, I believe, could pose problems.</p>
<p>	Our profession has enough perception problems.  I don&#8217;t think we need to add to them by our own actions.</p>
<p>And, may I add, I don&#8217;t believe I have all the answers.  This post is as much an exercise in learning for me as it may be for anyone else.  I like questions because they frequently lead to answers.  That&#8217;s my goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, I appreciate that you came by and commented.  Thank you.

	You are the guy that gets the de facto &quot;PR blogger&quot; label from MSM.  If anyone is going to be the person to adhere to what they write about - if only for the sake of themselves (let alone the discipline of PR), it should be you.  

	Certainly, we should &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; comply.  But, you are the role model, if the MSM is correct.

	Before I respond, let me offer this.  I know you&#039;re getting a bit of flak lately and I&#039;m not trying to pick on you.

	Your response here did not have the depth I was hoping for, but I thank you for it.

	Yes, I accept your offer to talk.  In fact, I&#039;d like to interview you for a podcast.  Will you participate, please?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I appreciate that you came by and commented.  Thank you.</p>
<p>	You are the guy that gets the de facto &#8220;PR blogger&#8221; label from MSM.  If anyone is going to be the person to adhere to what they write about &#8211; if only for the sake of themselves (let alone the discipline of PR), it should be you.  </p>
<p>	Certainly, we should <em>all</em> comply.  But, you are the role model, if the MSM is correct.</p>
<p>	Before I respond, let me offer this.  I know you&#8217;re getting a bit of flak lately and I&#8217;m not trying to pick on you.</p>
<p>	Your response here did not have the depth I was hoping for, but I thank you for it.</p>
<p>	Yes, I accept your offer to talk.  In fact, I&#8217;d like to interview you for a podcast.  Will you participate, please?</p>
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		<title>By: Denis de Bernardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis de Bernardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1) Should any blogger clarify these relationships in their blog?

	I think you are raising a non-issue. You think of a blogger as a PR pro or a journalist. You are wrong on both counts. A blogger is neither; he is an opinionated average Joe who, at best, is more of a columnist. In this context, _expect_ a blogger to be biaised.

	That said, if you are discussing the &#039;pro&#039; blogger, who is in fact a mere puppet in the hands of PR pros, the question is an entirely different one. Yes, let him tell who he really is. If you don&#039;t, the lad will get bad press if he gets &#039;caught&#039;. And then, hide the notice some place where noone will look.

	(2) Should any blogger try to make sure the relationships are clarified in articles where they are interviewed?

	It depends on the influencer and on the context. Research in psychology of influence shows that you&#039;ll be more credible in some circumstances (door in the face), and that you&#039;ll be better off not saying anything in most cases (foot in the door).

	(3) Should any blogger answer questions about transparency concerns that are posed as comments in their blog?

	Only to dismiss the question as a non-issue. Influence-wise, reacting as if there were real transparency concerns that need ex-post clarification can only work against you. This is where you need that hidden notice discussed above.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) Should any blogger clarify these relationships in their blog?</p>
<p>	I think you are raising a non-issue. You think of a blogger as a PR pro or a journalist. You are wrong on both counts. A blogger is neither; he is an opinionated average Joe who, at best, is more of a columnist. In this context, _expect_ a blogger to be biaised.</p>
<p>	That said, if you are discussing the &#8216;pro&#8217; blogger, who is in fact a mere puppet in the hands of PR pros, the question is an entirely different one. Yes, let him tell who he really is. If you don&#8217;t, the lad will get bad press if he gets &#8216;caught&#8217;. And then, hide the notice some place where noone will look.</p>
<p>	(2) Should any blogger try to make sure the relationships are clarified in articles where they are interviewed?</p>
<p>	It depends on the influencer and on the context. Research in psychology of influence shows that you&#8217;ll be more credible in some circumstances (door in the face), and that you&#8217;ll be better off not saying anything in most cases (foot in the door).</p>
<p>	(3) Should any blogger answer questions about transparency concerns that are posed as comments in their blog?</p>
<p>	Only to dismiss the question as a non-issue. Influence-wise, reacting as if there were real transparency concerns that need ex-post clarification can only work against you. This is where you need that hidden notice discussed above.</p>
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